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Re: Earth Day Discussion Topic: What do you (want to) monitor?



Colleagues,
   I've been looking at the last 7 years of data from the River Raisin.  In that time we have had 161 unique stream site visits and have amassed quite a bit of data (we've taken about 12,000 stream invertebrates through the years).  I've attached a pdf of an excerpt of my report for your amusement and/or edification.      
 
The MiCorps Index, though a reasonable tool, is far from ideal for understanding stream health.  Published values of the relative tolerance of various insects are at the genus level, yet this Index at best pulls out only a few families.  Worse yet it lumps orders (not all mayflies are equally sensitive!). 
 
We should have our report up on our website sometime next week if you want to see more.  The report does contain complete site histories for each of our 20 sites. 
 
Sorry to clutter your mailbox if you are not interested. Hopefully some of you will find this relevant.
 
cheers,
Jim Martin
 
River Raisin Adopt-A-Stream Director
 
Associate Professor & Chair, Biology
Adrian College
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Steen
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: Earth Day Discussion Topic: What do you (want to) monitor?

Hi Tom and John and everyone,

Interesting start of a discussion!  Here are my 2 cents on the MiCorps score?

1)     It is very difficult to compare the macro community in two stream sites without an extensive analysis.  This is because the biological community can differ very much just due to the natural characteristics of the stream, like John was saying.  For example, two very healthy streams may have very different macro communities and thus different score, simply because one stream is large and the other is small.  The small stream would probably have a lower score because smaller streams have, in general, less biological diversity because of less diversity in habitat. The difference in score doesn?t tell you that one site is better than another.

2)     In the Upper AuSable?s case, it is likely that all of the streams they are monitoring are pretty similar (and pretty awesome), in terms of size and temperature and habitat and therefore insect community.  Therefore it makes sense that the scores are very similar? essentially equal statistically speaking.  I would recommend that all groups find some disturbed sites in their watershed and monitor those, too.  It can be a great educational experience to send your volunteers to both a good and poor stream site.  Even if the scores between the sites aren?t really comparable due to the natural variation in stream characteristics that I mention above, it is still useful to visit disturbed streams and discuss what your group can do to make sure your good quality sites don?t share a similar fate.

3)     Long term monitoring!!!! As John mentions, these scores are useful for looking for trends at a particular site, and less useful for comparing sites.

--Paul Steen

 


From: owner-micorps@great-lakes.net [mailto:owner-micorps@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of John Hayes
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:12 PM
To: Tom Dale; Ric Lawson
Cc: micorps@great-lakes.net
Subject: Re: Earth Day Discussion Topic: What do you (want to) monitor?

 

Hi,

 

You're numbers mean you have a fantastic trout stream!   On a more serious note, they won't mean that much until you have a nice stockpile of data. Looking at the data over time, you can appreciate changes that are happening (if there are any).   I.E, climate change, habitat destruction/improvement, etc.   Now, if the numbers change from 50+ to <20, I would be really concerned.  There could be some contamination that is severely impacting the macros.  Though, lots depends on when you sample.  January, on average, is when macros are at their highest density.   Additionally, the numbers you're generating are really not hard data points.  You're getting a qualitative understanding.   Quantifying a qualitative test is trouble. 

 

My group samples a really small creek (Hatlem Creek) that has no where near the biomass as the Au Sable.  Our scores range rom mid 30's to high teens.  It's really inappropriate to compare the two.  That doesn't mean the Hatlem is in bad shape.  It's just different water.   Hope this helps.

 

John Hayes

>>> On 4/22/2009 at 2:05 PM, in message <9DAAFABB-3DEE-4571-BD22-1D6AB4FAB48D@core.com>, Tom Dale <thdale@core.com> wrote:

We recently had a discussion of the Stream Quality Scores for our September sampling event. It was our first sampling event and thus the scores are our first set of scores. For 6 sampling sites in the Upper AuSable River Watershed, we had scores of 52.4, 56.9, 50.3, 50.4, 55.3, & 51.2. Our discussion was lively, but basically boiled down to the question of what do those numbers really mean. We had a couple very accomplished statisticians in our midst and that made the discussion even more worrisome that casual observers might misunderstand what our numbers really mean. It's like the school district MEAP scores that get published in newspapers. What conclusions can be drawn from MiCorps' brand of Stream Quality Scores.

 

On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Ric Lawson wrote:



By the way, if you are wondering how to comment to the list, simply "reply all" or send an e-mail to micorps@great-lakes.net and it will go to the entire MiCorps discussion list. If you keep the subject as above, then list members can track the discussion string by topic.

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Watershed Planner

Huron River Watershed Council

1100 N. Main St., Suite 210

Ann Arbor, MI 48104

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From: owner-micorps@great-lakes.net [mailto:owner-micorps@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Ric Lawson
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:07 AM
To: micorps@great-lakes.net
Subject: Earth Day Discussion Topic: What do you (want to) monitor?

Happy Earth Day Volunteers and Coordinators!

In the spirit of the Earth Day vision of grassroots activism to encourage positive environmental change, I would like to start a discussion about how MiCorps can change to better support volunteer monitoring groups across the state. The April edition of The MiCorps Monitor newsletter, released yesterday, included a discussion topic about what you, the volunteer monitoring community in Michigan, really want to monitor. As explained in the article, MiCorps has initially chosen to focus on a small set of parameters and standardize the collection of data for those parameters across the state. There are many other important environmental variables that can be very informative about the quality of our state's waterways. Many can be monitored by volunteers with proper training and organization.

Let's start this discussion by asking what you currently are monitoring and what you would like to monitor and why. Feel free to comment on what you think you would need to get such an effort going. How can MiCorps help? Don't be afraid to be critical of MiCorps efforts to date. We have thick skin. We can take it.

Please send a comment to the list. It doesn't have to be long or even fully thought out. We want to know what you are thinking about. It's you who MiCorps was designed to support.

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Ric Lawson

Watershed Planner

MiCorps Staff

Huron River Watershed Council

1100 N. Main St., Suite 210

Ann Arbor, MI 48104

p: 734.769.5123 x13

f: 734.998.0163

www.hrwc.org

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Join the Huron River Watershed Council, protecting the Huron River since 1965.

More info: www.hrwc.org



 

 

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